Posts by Indian Larry

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The Watchtower Attempts to Eliminate Discrepancies in Authority

by Emery in

i began pondering about the reasons why this new light was made and have come to a few theories that may be plausible.

my conclusion is that the society is hell bent on eliminating the discrepancies to their authority.. .

the ancient lineage of the faithful and discreet slave - eliminated.

Indian Larry

King Solomon - You truley are wise. That is an excellent point.

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

You know I have no love for the superfine apostles up there in Brooklyn, but this photo alone does not prove masonic ties. The building in the background is a masonic center, however it was built AFTER Russell was buried under his pyramid. If you could find proof that the Mason's owned the cemetary in the past or that it is a primarily Masonic cemetary ie. most other graves circa 1916 were masonic members that might help. The Pyramid itself is wrong there is no doubt about that but the center in the background is only damning if there is a direct tie to it from the WTBTS. Otherwise anybody could have built on that property. If the democratic national commitee built headquarters there that does not mean that Russell was a democrat unless he donated them the land.

However that does not prove that Russell was not a Mason either. I guess it is curios but no definitive one way or the other without more information.

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New Light brings new questions

by Indian Larry in

according to cedars blog:.

"the events described in matthew 24:46,47 now refer to jesus coming during the great tribulation and giving the governing body their reward in heaven along with the rest of the anointed.".

if this is true then how can they separate v.45 from v.46&47.

Indian Larry

According to Cedars blog:

"The events described in Matthew 24:46,47 now refer to Jesus coming during the Great Tribulation and giving the Governing Body their reward in heaven along with the rest of the anointed."

If this is true then how can they separate v.45 from v.46&47. The scripture says the "the master on arriving" will appoint him. However that is ONLY if he is faithful. The parallel scripture in Luke 12:47-51 make it clear that the slave can either be faithful or NOT depending on his actions. Whether the slave is faithful or not is decided upon by Christ when he comes during the Great Tribulation.

What reasoning do they use to separate the identification of the FDS with its reward coming (at a minimum) almost 100 years later?

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Indian Larry

Leolala, you are a real assett to this forum. Thank you for all your research and the time you put into it.

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Question about the new "FDS" light

by Indian Larry in

if the fds is only the governing body and the governing body of today is patterned on the apostles in jerusalem in the 1st century then does that mean that paul was not of the fds?.

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Indian Larry

If the FDS is only the governing body and the governing body of today is patterned on the Apostles in Jerusalem in the 1st Century then does that mean that Paul was not of the FDS?

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Please Help! Wife want PROOF of Watchtower Deception

by Indian Larry in

please post any examples of clear cut watchtower deception.

my wife does not believe that the watchtower would purposely decieve her.

i need clearcut examples of deception of by the wtbts.

Indian Larry

All of these are good points. I have thought and thought about it. I have tried many of them. I think it comes down to this in her case. Willful ignorance. She has heard the facts, she just refuses to believe them. She won't read C of C or anything she feels is apostate. She is willfully ignorant. That is it.

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Please Help! Wife want PROOF of Watchtower Deception

by Indian Larry in

please post any examples of clear cut watchtower deception.

my wife does not believe that the watchtower would purposely decieve her.

i need clearcut examples of deception of by the wtbts.

Indian Larry

I have been offline for a while. Thanks so much for the responses everyone.

Phizzy> I tried 607. It is like talking to a wall. “God has to have an organization, if it is not the WT then who is it?”

Smiddy> I tried all the old Russell and Rutherford stuff. She just puts it all off to “new light”

Leolala> The only thing so far that seems to have got through to her at all is the Conti trial and the UN/NGO mess. However she puts each off to individuals. Cognative dissonance.

DarioKehl> I will check out the YouTube channel you mentioned. - Thanks

Fistandantillus> I tried the canabalism idea. She can see it was wrong. She says those responsible will have to answer, but she can not see a link to today.

Designs> Socially outside of the org? Nothing. Her entire family is in the “truth” and they are a very close family. Mine is as well (I am 3rd gen). I have not gone to meetings for several years and everyone still treats me well.

FW Franz> I have tried the “false prophet” tact. She just puts it off as “old light”, if I get to close to actually getting through to her she starts crying and goes into another room. She just can’t/won’t face it.

Searcher> I made a note of Rev 20:12. I will research that later this evening

Dozy> Tried telling her about the change re generation and the prophecy in the masthead. No go. New light.

Rather be in Hades> I actually got her to listen to a little of the Walsh trial on the audio version of C of C.

Brinjen> 1975 was not so bad to her. That is the year her Mom was baptized.

Clarity> Rutherford his cars, his houses, the whiskey, all old news to her.

Blondie> I have used some of that info and it did help some. Not enough though.

End of Mysteries > I had read that post earlier. It has some good points but it may be too “deep” for her

Jaime de Aragon > Russell stuff does not phase her at all. Old history/new light

MC Rubber Mallet> Good points - Thanks

DesirousOfChange > This is the kind of stuff I am looking for. Clear examples of misquotes or taking something out of context that can not be a mistake but that shows that they do INTENTIONALLY mislead the members. I did make a little ground with her on some of the quotes about earthquakes. She just can not believe that the GB would ever try to intentionally mislead the flock.

Scenic Viewer> Thanks for those examples! I had never scene that particular one before. I will try that!

00Dad> Yes. JWFacts if a great site. I have found it tremendously helpful. I like the way he presents things. No vitriol, just facts.

I should have said earlier however that she found a book I had that was entitled “Questions to ask JW’s” I had put the dust jacket from another non related book on that one to keep it off of her radar. Unfortunately she found it and now anything I say she thinks is coming from that book, I have to have something that I can point to in either the mainstream news or the publications from the pas 20 years. Any other sites, stuff from the past, all that just bounces off of her like she is Superman. I am looking for kryptonite.

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Please Help! Wife want PROOF of Watchtower Deception

by Indian Larry in

please post any examples of clear cut watchtower deception.

my wife does not believe that the watchtower would purposely decieve her.

i need clearcut examples of deception of by the wtbts.

Indian Larry

Leola, thank you for the comment. I make special notice of your comments because they are usually very very well researched and thought out. You don't resort to random name calling and ranting, just simpe (AND EFFECTIVE) research. I appreciate that.

For some background. My wife does wonder some about the UN thing, the Candise Conti thing. and possibly about false prophecy. In general though her attitude is that the society is the FDS and that is the end of it. Her mother became a witness when she was 7 yrs. old. She is very very close to her sister and brother (both active JW's) she his also very very close to her parents. Her mom is a witness but her father is not. He does attend on Sunday's, but he is not baptised and he still smokes. So, by Witness standards he is bird feed. It does not matter that he is a really good person, that he really does not understand the theological issues. According to them the simple fact is that is not baptized (in the org) and therefore will dies at armageddon.

Anyway, what I am looking for is simple CLEAR examples of where the society has lied to it's member. That is the first step on the stairway to freeing her.

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so oompa got df'd this week...

by oompa in

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no call to invite me to a committee meeting...no notification of deciding i should be df'd....no telling my jw wife of the announcement...not a chance to appeal what i did not even know what was going on...my mini-serve son is devasted....he even researched it....told me to go to page 153-154 of the od book...never heard of it but it is a green hardback given to all who are to be baptized.

wow...the elders broke every rule in this book as to my case.... i have no respect for these men that can take away your jw family without even telling you they are going to.

my jw son has now begged me to meet with my committee...even though there is prob zero chance they can reverse the decision...that chance is from when they let you know...and you have to appeal by letter within 7 days (i cant make this stuff up!!

Indian Larry

I did not personally know Eric, but we had a lot in common. We were both small business owners, we both see the WTBTS for what it is. We both live in NC. We both work with other JW's. We both ride motorcycles. We both have seriously considered suicide. Unfortunately for Eric he was "caught" by the idots in his congregation for his using "fractions" of blood. That cost him most of his friends and family. I (so far at least) have managed to stay clear of the elders althought my wife is about to drop me. It sucks. I still actually do care about God and Jesus. I just want to follow what I honesty feel is the truth. The WTBTS does not make it easy. Sometimes I wonder if the routh Eric took is not the best one.

I am riding the BRP this weekend to see the fall colors. My bike is in the shop so I am riding a friends Hayabusa. I will keep Eric in mind as I twist the throttle this weekened.

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Please Help! Wife want PROOF of Watchtower Deception

by Indian Larry in

please post any examples of clear cut watchtower deception.

my wife does not believe that the watchtower would purposely decieve her.

i need clearcut examples of deception of by the wtbts.

Indian Larry

Please post any examples of CLEAR CUT Watchtower Deception. My wife does not believe that the Watchtower would PURPOSELY decieve her. I need CLEARCUT examples of deception of by the WTBTS. This could be the thing that opens up her eyes. I am going to look up all quotes on the WT CD and put them in a spreadsheet. Please submit ANY examples that show CLEARLY to a totally blind WTBTS zombie how she has been lied to. Misquotes are welcome as well.

Please HELP! If it makes you feel better, feel free to count the time